The Avengers

[accidental]

Oh yeah, so you reckon that maybe if he rages himself up he's in control, but if someone else rages him up then he's not? I don't see that there's a difference.

[nightwlf]

That's the impression that I got. but I agree it's something the movie could have addressed, because I was confused too.

[Jim]

Spoiler: Click to Spoil In the movie I thought that the sceptre was what triggered Hulk's first outbreak, and that he had no control over the transformation. The second time he just lets go and Hulk breaks out. Maybe by being angry all the time, when he is enraged he has more control over the emotions or something. Hulk seemed oddly in control during the fight though.

[accidental]

Spoiler: Click to Spoil Oh yeah that sounds plausible. I think the camera did focus in on the sceptre in the lab right before he raged out on the ship.

[esoj]

I saw this last night and it was way better than I expected. the hulk was awesome so many funny moments with him.

Spoiler: Click to Spoil the hulk transforming thing is a bit strange but I think it's definitely possible that the first time he does it he is not in control of it and loki is.the second time he is in control and therefore can focus the transformation and his anger.

[Tel Prydain]

Re the Hulk, I can answer that one!

Spoiler: Click to Spoil I think that most non-comic fans that saw the movie put the difference down to forced change and deliberate change – which is mostly correct. The thing about Hulk is that banner doesn’t think that Hulk is ‘bad’ – Banner knows that Hulk is careless, uncontrolled and tends to break everything around him like a bull in a china shop. Hulk isn’t good or bad – he’s just a wild animal. He's destructive, dangerous and hurts people, but there is no malice of forethought. The first time Banner changed, like any animal that wakes up to find itself trapped and hurt, Hulk lashed out at everyone and everything around him – friend or foe. It’s not too unusual, and is often quite sad, when even a beloved family pet goes a bit mental and hurts someone – despite the fact it’s normally warm and loving. The first time: • Banner didn’t want to change, hulk broke out. • Banner had just found out he was being used by shield • Hulk was in a small, confined, cage-like space (Hulk is somewhat claustrophobic) The second time: • Banner let hulk out willingly • There was a greater and more obvious threat. • Hulk wasn’t enclosed or being trapped • As far as commands go, ‘smash’ is something the hulk personality wouldn’t object to. • Even then, he still had moments of smacking his own team about (in a ‘playing too rough’ kind of way)

[accidental]

Good explanation Tel! Did you copy/paste that from somewhere?

[Tel Prydain]

Nope. Like most my other posts, that come directly from my butt!

It helps that Mrs Prydain is a comic geek.

Spoiler: Click to Spoil It helps to think of Hulk as an angry gorilla. Let one out in a street and people might get hurt – but if they all stay clear and keep calm, the gorilla will probably climb a building and find somewhere to sulk. Set that same gorilla loose in an office space and both people and property are going to get hurt. Put that same gorilla in crowd of hysterical people within a confined space, and there is going to be bloodshed. The best way to deal is with calm soothing noises and lots of space. I could go on and compare the Avengers to animal trainers trying to talk the gorilla down, but that might be belabouring the analogy.

[fahrenheit]

I had to get up to speed with both Captain America and Thor which I begrudgingly watched in one session on less than ideal terms (small tv with no surround sound).
Decided I couldn't wait to watch all three later and miss Avengers at the cinema, so the other two were sacrificed for the benefit of the one... I think I made the right decision.
This was the first digital projection 3D film I've seen (Real3D at Vmax) and it was strange to see a picture perfect, sharply focused presentation without a hint of dust or judder. The 3D was also really easy on the eyes. It was an early morning session and I was quite puffy-eyed and was a bit concerned that I wouldn't cope, but it really was faultless.
I will say though, although IMAX 3D is soft/blurry, jumping all over the place and generally riddled with dust if the film has been played more than once and tends to have terrible crosstalk that can make some scenes look like a bad acid trip, the huge size of the presentation trumps the clairty of the all digital presentation.

Definitely enjoyed the film and not just the presentation. Having just watched the other two films, I was expecting less, so expectations were exceeded.

[Mriceguy]

Avengers beat out Mr. Potter with a $200.3 million opening weekend in the US.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...ceipts-1-.html

[Newsboy]

Watched Thor last night and was quite surprised to see that the Avengers isn't only Iron-Man 3, but also Thor 2.
Will try and get Captain America watched this week and I'm sure I'll feel an even bigger connection to The Avengers.

[that_black_guy]

Originally Posted by Tel Prydain

Re the Hulk, I can answer that one!

Interesting, but why...

Spoiler: Click to Spoil Does he go way out of his way to save Iron Man when he falls from the portal? That was perhaps the most out of character thing and it doesn't really seem like theres a clear explanation in the post I quoted

[Tel Prydain]

Originally Posted by that_black_guy

Interesting, but why...

Spoiler: Click to Spoil I think it’s pretty consistent with that idea of a family pet or tame chimp – perhaps because my wife and I have watched a few documentaries about apes and chimps lately, it's been on the mind. My wife studied anthropology and was interested enough to watch a documentary called Project Nim. It’s a look at a study where a baby chimp (Nim) was raised with a human family(s) (mostly hippies) and taught sign language. As you watch the movie/documentary, the thing that strikes you about Nim is how he can sometimes appear so human, and then the next moment be so animal like. He would be kind, loving – talk to people via sign language, ask to play, hung a trainer who was sad and worry if someone was hurt… and then the next moment he (literally) bites a massive hole in someone’s face if he doesn't get what he wants. Having watched Nim and a few other documentaries, Hulk struck me as very much the same. Friendly and helpful (obeying Capt’s orders / saving Stark) one moment, totally unaware of his strength or the damage he can do (hitting Thor, trashing half a city) and (if threatened) lashing out angrily, hurting people that he might normally get along with.

[accidental]

Project NIM was an awesome documentary.

[Tel Prydain]

It's the one that stuck with me the most - it's the only one whose name I could recall when writing the above post.
We watched a few others, including one where two tribes of chimps went to war, but the Nim one keeps popping up in my thoughts.

I like watching things like that with my wife - most docos give you a lot to talk about afterwards, but Project Nim was a gold mine. Nim himself and the findings of the study were interesting (obviously), but it was also interesting to hear how the people involved remembered the past differently and hearing differing views of the same events.
As someone who studied anthropology for several years, my wife had a lot to say about the whole thing.

Annnnnnnnnnyway, back to the topic at hand – Looking at the behaviour of a (relatively) tame chimp definitely seems like a great analogy for Hulk’s behaviour. Nim showed a mixture of love and genuine empathy mixed with pretty extreme violence when angry/ frustrated /trapped.

Spoiler: Click to Spoil To me, mid-movie Hulk is like Nim at LIMSIP and/or early years at the ranch – trapped, abandoned, angry. (Dragged that woman about, killed the dog, etc) And end-movie Hulk is like Nim mid documentary, mostly part of the family – enjoying playing with friends.